Covering over 1,429 miles of the Queensland coast, the reef stretches from the north tip of Cape York Peninsula down to the south city of Bundaberg. Today Sus(+s)an Ley announced the reef was in much worse condition. The bloated global warming industry certainly isn’t going to say “There now, my work is done.”. All along I thought is was reefaphobic but now I see the distinction. Using beach erosion to judge sea level rise is a poor method. Don’t trust any politician when it comes to GBR. I’ll tell you why: some areas are undergoing subsidence, which means that the land SINKS. These include new water quality regulations for Queensland farmers, calls for better quality assurance Bleaching events …are occurring more often’ “I’m sure in the near future we shall read public apologies from all the reef scientists who declared the fake climate emergency.”. Unless you harvest your own wool, cotton, yucca, hemp, silk and spin your own thread and yarns then weave your own fabric? “I saw the exact ­opposite to that.”. What are you like with the Commodore 64 or DOS? I red that Susan Ley actually got into the full diving gear over three days of different locations on the GB R . Now time to look at the scientists who have said it was going away and ask explain. The truth is somewhere in between and is not clearly known as the majority of science is being funded by those with an alarmist agenda. Can you explain how sea levels magically rise in one place and not others? Climate changes. Some data show it may be life giving. I got sidetracked at the time modelling the economy with punch cards and a DEC10 so I’m not up with all the finer nuances of deep science. Carbon dioxide forms carbonic acid in water which dissolves calcium carbonate aka many forms of coral and mollusks. You are free to make that choice, but if you try and impose it on me, I will fight you with every fiber of my being! Leon Due to the sheer scale of this comment community, we are not able to give each post the same level of attention, but we have preserved this area in the interests of open debate. for reef science and the outsourcing of reef program delivery to the Great Barrier Reef Foundation by the Turnbull government. With an alleged warming anomaly that is impossible to calculate reliably or accurately. Old pictures of 90 Mile Beach in NZ show quite a few images of wide open sand at low tide. I have it on good authority CoT death was highly correlated with Y2k and the 70s Ice Age dooming but check that with the climate changers as they’re really big on this stuff. The “little, black rock” is playing a huge role in threatening the reef’s existence. I feel that if such damage existed it would have been gleefully made available. So can you really blame those that understand this and wish to keep it that way and facts be damned. That field trip also suggests, science is reestablishing its rightful place in society and in the general scheme of things, i.e. hence the faster reef recovery of the northern hotter part of the GBR since two devastating cyclones., Please go back to the previous scenario where the reef is dying, and only a government carbon tax can save it. Over what time period?”. There might be an accounting for that. left high and drier after the last ice age? And a stupid politician going oh…no loss of reef…… reminds me of the other stupid people going…… oh… it’s cold today,….. so no climate change.”. Although this rule is true, if this is Rule #1 in science then there are many Rule #1s. Is that a flock of Gloucester Old Spot* overhead? “oh… it’s cold today,….. so no climate change”; is a comment that ignores reality. Just another opinion…and we all have one. Regarding corals, they have gone nearly extinct five times over the past several hundred million years, and have always bounced back. Yes I actually did, and it was magic. This is classic fake news. You just can’t get a reliable canary these days. The fact is a reef really can recover that fast. Of course the Barrier is not a flood barrier at all and has always had quite a different purpose which it does well. If one strangles it first all looks good. “Walk toward the fire. You can’t have a locust plague if there is no vegetation. Nothing to worry about at all.”. Sorry. The live coral lives on the surface of … If Sussan Ley dived any of those reefs she would likely have had an entirely different experience. Coral bleaching can occur when the typical summer temperature of local waters increases an exceed maxima by 1°C. The percentage of baby corals being born on the Great Barrier Reef dropped drastically in 2018 and scientists are describing it as the early stage of a "huge natural selection event unfolding". It was beautiful and vibrant then. should take a leaf from the IPCC’s playbook. I am one of a small and dwindling band of people who have observed the GBR [intermittently] for >60 years. Of course they may be different families of corals from those that are dying on the GBR but it does prove that corrals can survive “climate change”. By the way Scott child, Dr. Peter Ridd has been measuring the GBR for decades and they dumped him because the research he criticized was false and based upon not visiting the reef. Are they? I wish more climate scientists would enter politics properly rather than sniping from the safe sidelines of their academic tenure. Interesting approach. Similar to what happens at this site. have you heard of carbonic acid? In the last 2 years the Great Barrier Reef has lost over half its coral. The fact a government minister does the looking is a good sign. Too many scientists seem to have adopted the theory CO2 induced climate change/global warming is killing off the coral. It’s the first test of its kind and it could save the dying reef. Coal is considered a dying industry and it also damages the Great Barrier Reef’s health.The craziest part, though? She should drag the media along too. this appears to be damage control. “You just can’t get a reliable canary these days.”. We should be able to accept our responsibility for our wrongs and practise due diligence. Stick with the narrative. If you had bothered to learn the facts, you would see that the ocean has ALWAYS absorbed CO2, and that the resulting ocean H2CO3 is a highly buffered system that NEVER made the oceans acidic. The twin perils brought by climate change, an increase in the temperature of the ocean and its acidity, if they continue to rise at the present rate the reefs will be gone within decades and that would be a global catastrophe. It may be necessary to examine data. Which is one of the reasons, the alarmists keep changing the name and terms surrounding their climate cabal claims; global warming, anthropogenic global warming, catastrophic anthropogenic global warming, climate disruption, climate emergency, climate urgency, climate change; N.B. Except Nature overwhelms mankind causing NOAA to use modeled numbers rather than the satellite’s. Without any substantiation, you both ‘declare’ what my reality is and you ‘declare’ what facts Aussie Environment Minister Sussan Ley observed, illustrating that you are just making things up to suit your irrational world view while casting aspersions on anyone that doesn’t participate in your fantasies. You mean like Peter Ridd? Isn’t it amazing that creatures who have survived many millions of years, easily survive weather events on the GBR. In 2017, the Australian Climate Council released a second report following the Reef’s second wave of mass coral bleaching. The more the merrier. It has to be irritating that someone insists on looking at the Great Barrier Reef and conflating it with the model. Coral reefs are the most important oceanic ecosystem, and the Great Barrier Reef … They guessed, its their opinion about a future they coudln’t prove and didn’t happen, because their guesses about a natural ;evel of CO2 in the ocans wer presumtpive and wrong. You are mistaking reefs for diatoms, copepods, and other life that build shells to live within. Perhaps the Minister is on top of her brief and has the bigger picture John- the sceptical members of society including scientists are given the right to be sceptical. The University may yet appeal Ridd’s win in the Federal Circuit Court. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. It’s alway the mark of activists. e.g. If much of the reef is dying it is unlikely that they would find the one spot that was doing well. Far from being dissolved by CO2 levels 20 times higher than today, they laid down so much on their tissues that it survived till today, more than half a billion years. How long will she keep her job if she insists on seeing the truth for herself? Using your apple tree fable the odds are one in a hundred of setting eyes on the one good apple tree. One to watch, she faced off the live sheep exporter that was responsible for the carnage on a ship headed over the hot Indian Ocean to the Middle East. Of course the planet has gone through several mass extinctions not caused by mankind. Create a commenting name to join the debate, There are no Independent Premium comments yet - be the first to add your thoughts, There are no comments yet - be the first to add your thoughts. Since when is it genuine scientific process to declare a consensus…science closed…and scientists dissenting from the consensus sacked. Sorry. The entire pantheon of climate dooms and disasters are based on ignorance. Veuer's Tony Spitz has the details. Scientists- “Let’s carefully collect data in multiple locations over a time period, donut multiple times and confer with other scientists who have done it to make sure we accurately measure the overall flourishing or degradation of the Great Barrier Reef.”. As long as it agrees with your opinion already, its suddenly credible science. The Reef’s only chance for salvation sits with the Australian Government. Cliffs of Dover, marble and limestone quarries are not primarily from dead reefs, they are from benthic invertebrates. These research institutions used public money to create a scare which had a devastating impact on an important industry. Start your Independent Premium subscription today. Climate scientists deny the reality of the natural world we measure to prove a Malthusian presumption of imminent disaster that simply doesn’t happen, and hasn’t happened durng similar changes in the past(clue there) – because they are paid to in their cosy academic lives in Departments of (pseudo) Climate SCience we p are made to pay for. You reality is that a minister can go on a little fishing expedition and work out what’s happening? Due to the colourful marine life, the Reef is also one of the most popular tourist sites for scuba divers visiting Australia. etc. GRAHAM LLOYDThe Great Barrier Reef is not dead, is not dying and is not even on life support, federal Environment Minister Sussan Ley has declared after her first official visit to the World Heritage-listed site. But now we have development, canals, sand pumps and every other modern convenience to remove the temporary nature of the Gold Coast sand and you focus on global warming? In your case yes, think about what you just said. Meanwhile, JCU and the University of New South Wales, along with others were sounding the alarm of Catastrophe on the whole of the GBR. This is how it is in these ‘post-normal science ‘ times. In this handout photo provided by Greenpeace, Activists paint the message "Reef in Danger" on the side of coal ship Chou San on March 7, 2012 in Gladstone, Australia, {{#verifyErrors}} {{message}} {{/verifyErrors}} {{^verifyErrors}} {{message}} {{/verifyErrors}}, You may not agree with our views, or other users’, but please respond to them respectfully, Swearing, personal abuse, racism, sexism, homophobia and other discriminatory or inciteful language is not acceptable, Do not impersonate other users or reveal private information about third parties, We reserve the right to delete inappropriate posts and ban offending users without notification. Oh, It is an orchardist that tends a orchard. She seen’t it! They use precise transect locations from one year to another and video along it with a set FOV then classify species and percent cover in the lab after field season (summer) is over. No doubt, with a keen eye and oversight we may have some answers. “The current, ongoing mass bleaching event is the worst in the Great Barrier Reef’s history,” reads the report. theyre still there but decades of volunteers killing them has helped, now they have some? 20,000 years ago, the world was starting to emerge from the most recent ice age. And the Great Barrier Reef is not dead, but it is dying. Sussan Ley’s career path has been wonderfully varied, working odd jobs on the way to a pilot’s license – with roles as an air traffic controller, stock-mustering pilot and occasional shearer’s cook following. The latest surveys show the GBR to be as healthy and abundant as in the 1970’s: All of the solar road projects have been an abject failures not just the first, but all of them. When I was a boy there were swimming holes where you could catch barra in the Burdekin. The reef’s greatest threats The Great Barrier Reef is in grave danger. Sounds like a plan. Maybe because he is an expert without any ulterior motives for exaggeration. Also you would see the other trees. People who make such ridiculous claims should go and read how hot it really was around the turn of the century, then again in the thirties. People who whine about mining and burning coal should immediately divest themselves of everything made from or by fossil fuels. Surprise! Government funding for new fossil fuel mining must come to a halt, the Reef 2050 Plan needs to be rewritten, and the country should adopt a climate change policy that would reduce the emission levels by 40-60% followed by 60-80%. ‘The Great Barrier Reef is dying’ claims the Washington Post. Even funner fact – there is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary about weather or climate now, nothing. She isn’t observing facts. [according to AIMS]. This guy said that, as well as this… wish he was here now to dismantle the pseudo science drivel of well funded cynical climate scientists and their prediction consensus being preferred to evidence based science. plea How is it that we find fossils of them from that time? The greater the damage the more impressive the % cover and species diversity during the recovery, after 2 to 3 years from damage (depending on water temp). The Great Barrier Coral Reef Is Dying Faster Than Ever Grace Frank completing bleaching surveys along a transect line on an area known as One Tree Reef, in … You mean the islands that are not disappearing? Hasn’t the reef been destroyed by the Crown of Thorns starfish plague? They use some version of a false strawman; we need to save the reef or our environmental quality will quickly plummet. Ms. Ley clearly isn’t a scientist, and her observations should not be construed as those of a scientist. May God bless Aussie Environment Minister Sussan Ley, for her forthright declaration of observed facts. In recent years, the Great Barrier Reef has grabbed headlines after several people claimed the natural wonder to be dead. You are a glaring example of the irrational elitist. I seen’t it! See the About>Contact menu under the header. And absolutely nothing to do with attempting to rubbish the science so that her government can continue to mine & burn coal like there’s no tomorrow. That means it was a once a fringing reef at the edge of the continental shelf which grew to the sun as the ice melted. Appeals to authority, especially corrupt self interested authority, always win the day. ‘Cyclones…are occurring more often? But nobody would listen to them. They were even going so far as to declare that 90% of the reef was Dead! Well apparently those “scientists” aren’t very good at their job, so yeah. How is it that we find fossils of them from that time? Right – ignore scientists that have been studying it for decades”. I’m not sure many of the Reps will want to step out of their meeting rooms. e.g. ... Great Barrier Reef Undergoes Successful ‘Coral IVF’ Treatment. There are other commenters saying basically the same thing in this thread. Why do you assume that an inch of sea level rise somehow equates to “20 meters of beach”, whatever the eff that means? As you can see dooming is a personal thing for each of us and you must contextualise your own dooming although probably dooming is more relevant to the corals but I can’t speak for them. Accompanying Ms Ley on the visit this week has been Great Barrier Reef Foundation managing director Anna Marsden…”. John, you keep complaining, about the topic, but YOU never provide WHY we should ignore the Environment Minister. Cyclones. Laws that Prof Peter Ridd said could decimate coastal towns up and down the state! The reefs closer to Cairns showed stress after the bleaching event but when I dived them last year there was plenty of healthy coral. Their customers come to see live reefs along the GBR. 02:28. Despite this observed data, if one believes that CO2 causes sea level rise, isn’t that good for the GBR? HAHAHAHAHA! She surely has the guts to call it as it is. Smarter than a grade 5er? So jeering at first-hand observations based on your ill-informed speculations just doesn’t cut it here. Ms Ley is too young to score the health of the reef because she cannot know what a 10 score is like. Since the LIA? Now to wait for a response from the Labour opposition. Or people who claim it’s dead based on an article in the Australian MSM while sitting in their arm chairs and have never actually been to the reef, any part of it. The ocean temperature has increased by about 1 degree Celsius since the 1800s. Joe demands people destroy economies and force other people to use the ever unreliable alleged renewables? Every goddamn animal in the ocean incorporates it for their skeletons! The GBR is vast, manual destruction is an impossibility. Just the same as the thousands of Pacific islands disappearing. It’s good to see a responsible minister actually going and have a look first hand. A coastal plain, dotted with hills, separated these mountains from the sea. You can find our Community Guidelines in full here. “Meanwhile, the Australian Government continues to heavily subsidies the fossil fuel industry and is considering a loan of up to $1 billion to facilitate the construction of the Carmichael coal megamine,” writes UNESCO. Well, before we start handing out compliments let’s see them do something about taxpayer funding of alarmists and let’s see them hold people to account. Huh! Most of those tourism companies are thrilled the reef isn’t dead. And I doubt it even rates a mention in the Australian version of the Grauniad. Sorry, I still have it on my screen, it has opened earlier immediately, without messages – but now, when I tried again, with the same URL,I’ve got the same paywall meassage that you. Finally, you have assumed WITHOUT EVIDENCE that CO2, which has existed in much higher levels in the atmosphere, is now suddenly killing coral in the oceans. Some material from contributors may contain additional copyrights of their respective company or organization. Have you ever dived on the Great Barrier Reef ? He captured the Great Barrier Reef during its latest—and most devastating—mass die-off, and documented how coral off the coast of Belize had partially recovered thanks to a no-fishing zone. The number of new corals on the Great Barrier Reef crashed by 89% after the climate change-induced mass bleaching of 2016 and 2017.. 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